tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post5246576411236319448..comments2024-03-26T17:30:22.600-08:00Comments on Way Up North: From the Z-Files: HAARP Going Back Online, Holds Open HouseRev. Paulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-87393207986334836272016-08-29T08:19:53.063-08:002016-08-29T08:19:53.063-08:00Thank you, sir. That helps, and I hope it puts the...Thank you, sir. That helps, and I hope it puts the issue to bed. At least, around here.Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-70022878522686948462016-08-28T11:45:44.274-08:002016-08-28T11:45:44.274-08:00I also think that obsessive secrecy just for the s...I also think that obsessive secrecy just for the sake of secrecy contributes to the effect...if they're hiding something, it must be for a reason. Governments are prone to that, and ours seems to obsess over it (until it's politically expedient for specific individuals to play fast and loose with secrets for their own gain...oh, never mind...)<br /><br />Now that I've actually seen it, I'm struck by the utter simplicity of the whole setup...it's really just one big HF phased-array radar, so to speak. Not even that big, given the frequencies involved. I'm far from any kind of ionospheric scientist, but, having worked around electrical engineering most of my adult life, while also being a bit of a radio geek, it certainly makes sense for it's stated purpose.<br /><br />They can do some really oddball things with it, such as to induce low frequency waves into the ionosphere. That has implications for long range communication, and may not be without second order effects. Still, it's a really tiny pebble in a huge ocean of sky.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-19181838069129848892016-08-28T07:11:52.227-08:002016-08-28T07:11:52.227-08:00Thank you. It does sound as if it's no more th...Thank you. It does sound as if it's no more than originally claimed. I believe the nature of the problem is a) that Americans love a good conspiracy theory, and b) the government has lied to us about so many things, for so long, that it's hard to accept anything they say at face value.Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-89103943336806783232016-08-27T20:39:15.153-08:002016-08-27T20:39:15.153-08:00OK, so, we made the trip. Nice drive...colors star...OK, so, we made the trip. Nice drive...colors starting to turn up towards Tahneta Pass, decent views of the Wrangell-St. Elias range from the highway.<br /><br />Because of a long workday yesterday (4:30am start...), I was a little sluggish getting going today, and we didn't get going as soon as I'd wished. I knew it was open 9-3, and ended up not getting there until just before 2. At that point in time, they had closed the antenna array, but the control building was still open. I managed to catch the last 20 minutes of a background presentation (asked for a copy of the slides...we'll see if that works out).<br /><br />(Warning...geek speak coming)<br /><br />There's really not all that much to it...30 acres of crossed-dipole antennas (180 total) in a grid maybe 1/3 mile from the control building. The lights/heat/controls run off of local power, but 5 diesel generators in the control building power the transmitters (about 10MW total, not all that much when you think about it).<br /><br />Much of the control building is office space, a bit of storage, a small kitchen area, and a little living space. The actual control console is about a dozen computer monitors and a few monitoring instruments, about the size of a modest executive office, that's it. Not much equipment, really; mostly just generators, some heating equipment, and some people space.<br /><br />The transmitting array only runs at 45% efficiency for RF purity-of-emission reasons. It radiates 3.6MW of energy in a frequency band from 2.8-10MHz (that's the lower end of the shortwave band, not too far above the commercial AM broadcast band). The antennas are phase-fed so that it can transmit from straight-up over to about 30 degrees above the horizon.<br /><br />There is just enough power there for very localized heating of the lower parts of the ionosphere for a very short time. Not much more effect than relieving oneself in a big river...it would just get lost in the noise compared to what the sun can actually do.<br /><br />That's my observation, anyway. I wish I could have seen the antenna array up close...maybe next year.<br /><br />(end geek speak)<br /><br />As it turns out, UAF had a hand in its operation for quite some time. Once the DoD got what they wanted from it, it would have been scrapped. UAF still thinks they can operate it for other exo-atmospheric scientists. Technically, it still belongs to USAF, and they're working on transferring title to the University.<br /><br />And, it's the Geophysical Institute that operates it (contrary to my initial assertion about engineering). Still, I do have to wonder if the University wants to show the public what it's up to...it does need to do that.<br /><br />Any questions, let me know. I did take a few photos, need to figure out what to do with them yet.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-30397178483459896742016-08-27T06:17:52.175-08:002016-08-27T06:17:52.175-08:00Fiona - you've neatly summed up the entire pro...Fiona - you've neatly summed up the entire problem, right there.Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-2116197188380733722016-08-27T05:57:57.448-08:002016-08-27T05:57:57.448-08:00The gift of unintended consequence.....wow that do...The gift of unintended consequence.....wow that does cover a terrifying amount of territory!Fionahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05348495575211204989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-63298086914855443072016-08-26T14:46:56.507-08:002016-08-26T14:46:56.507-08:00They would give tours to the civilians out at Clea...They would give tours to the civilians out at Clear, in the tracker dome. The Tech Reps (also civilians) were happy to show how you could hold a light bulb and show how it would light up when the antenna was supposedly in maintenance mode.<br />I often wondered about that part and the Law of Unintended Consequences...LindaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203719919661519350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-10665279335895761122016-08-26T14:00:33.255-08:002016-08-26T14:00:33.255-08:00Linda, you could ask any sailor how many times the...Linda, you could ask any sailor how many times they heard the announcement, "Do not rotate or radiate while men are working aloft." (Refers to the ship's radar. Hint: we heard it <i>a lot.</i>) That's when I first began to work out that the Law of Unintended Consequences applied to more than just laws. ;^)Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-58254433341252640002016-08-26T13:46:11.731-08:002016-08-26T13:46:11.731-08:00Drjim, I look forward to your post on RF. All I kn...Drjim, I look forward to your post on RF. All I know about it is that when I was at Clear, I could tell whenever the tracking antenna was pointed toward the barracks, because it always came over the speakers whether the stereo was on or off. Ha!LindaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203719919661519350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-23459720643365064382016-08-26T13:37:37.125-08:002016-08-26T13:37:37.125-08:00Terry - "The NSA and the Whitehouse does noth...Terry - "The NSA and the Whitehouse does nothing but lie. I expect nothing from Congress." At least you can't be further disappointed.<br /><br />Jim - I'll look forward to that post, whenever you have time to get it compiled. Thanks.Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-26088813350776078302016-08-26T13:34:57.483-08:002016-08-26T13:34:57.483-08:00Since I've done a LOT of RF exposure calculati...Since I've done a LOT of RF exposure calculations for the Iowa, and I've been to several company-paid seminars on RF safety, I'll try and roll all that into a post.<br /><br />And I'll probably get hammered with "Cell Phones Cause CANCER!!!", replies......drjimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05647484115197408897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-82888508223196127552016-08-26T13:25:15.256-08:002016-08-26T13:25:15.256-08:00Speaking of not trusting the government and them l...Speaking of not trusting the government and them lying, saw this today:<br />https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/08/the_nsa_is_hoar.html <br />The NSA and the Whitehouse does nothing but lie. I expect nothing from Congress. Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02693579680266086557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-4939568079397211212016-08-26T13:08:47.081-08:002016-08-26T13:08:47.081-08:00Jim, I'm glad you didn't have much to say....Jim, I'm glad you didn't have much to say. I'd hate to see the novella an outspoken response might have morphed into. :) <br /><br />I kid; I kid.<br /><br />Actually, I was hoping you (or someone with equivalent knowledge) would be able to straighten out the tangled info flow. Thank you.Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-17434069214031067722016-08-26T13:00:46.433-08:002016-08-26T13:00:46.433-08:00Oh, boy....I really don't have too much to say...Oh, boy....I really don't have too much to say.<br /><br />If HAARP was capable of doing any of these things, they would have clamped a lid on it, sealed off the area, and you wouldn't hear anything about it again.<br /><br />I've been around high-power and extremely high-power RF since the early 1970's, and I'm still walking the Earth.<br /><br />The physics of this stuff is fairly well understood, otherwise they wouldn't have built it in the first place. HAARP was originally built as a "Well, we know <i>this</i>, so let's try <i>that</i>, and see if it has any effect".<br /><br />The Radio Frequency energy is directly almost straight up, although I thought I remembered reading something indicating that they can "steer" the beam of focused energy a few degrees.<br /><br />Wikipedia has a pretty good explanation of HAARP:<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program<br /><br />I suppose one of these days I should do up a post about RF radiation (NON-ionizing) vs Nuclear radiation (IONIZING), and explain the differences.drjimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05647484115197408897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-5109663096091101592016-08-26T08:28:44.078-08:002016-08-26T08:28:44.078-08:00Jay, those are great questions. Answers? Not as ea...Jay, those are great questions. Answers? Not as easily forthcoming.<br /><br />There was a lot of talk, up here, about HAARP while it was in operation. Anecdotal evidence had it playing hob with birds' flight patterns. One friend who has a cabin about 80 miles from the facility swore, quite seriously, that she could tell whenever it was turned on, because birds would fly into her windows. Repeatedly, every day.Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-64866351200323941132016-08-26T08:19:41.540-08:002016-08-26T08:19:41.540-08:00Who paid to upgrade the electrical plant? The dies...Who paid to upgrade the electrical plant? The diesels needed to be replaced and the cost to bring in Tier 3 equipment was too much was one of the validations for shutting it down.<br /><br />Of course everyone know that HAARP manipulates weather not minds and clearly the replacement facility is up and running as demonstrated by Louisiana's weather week before last. "Sarcasm" "Maybe"JayNolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08968502576630432928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-76060635135903976132016-08-26T05:31:30.691-08:002016-08-26T05:31:30.691-08:00Linda - nice to meet a fellow Whovian, too. :)
Ch...Linda - nice to meet a fellow Whovian, too. :)<br /><br />Chickenmom - through many years of exposure, I've arrived at the same place. I <i>want</i> to be able to trust them, but ... I just can't.Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-42174832247614043942016-08-26T03:11:47.616-08:002016-08-26T03:11:47.616-08:00See how nice they are and letting everyone in to t...See how nice they are and letting everyone in to take a tour!(S/) I don't trust anything the government has or had a hand in.Chickenmomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02978826295959619815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-24189636663671557622016-08-25T19:37:45.304-08:002016-08-25T19:37:45.304-08:00Thank you as well, Rev. Paul. I apologize for not ...Thank you as well, Rev. Paul. I apologize for not having read back on your blog. I did not know you were a vet also. Thank you.<br />We share many of the same interests, too. Science Fiction, Red Dwarf, Firefly, Doctor Who.<br />And as a maintenance tech, hubby shares your interest in aircraft and aviation history.<br />Be safe and God bless. ^_^LindaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203719919661519350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-12296535647918398562016-08-25T18:52:11.968-08:002016-08-25T18:52:11.968-08:00Hi, Linda - thank you for your service. From one v...Hi, Linda - thank you for your service. From one vet to another, welcome!<br /><br />Re: UAF, I've had very limited contact with them. UAA seems to be the bastion of Rightthink (as in <i>politically correct</i>), while UAF seems - from Southcentral - to be a bit more science/fact based. YMMV, and all that. But I'd be pretty skeptical, just the same.Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-50228711345604281062016-08-25T18:28:45.074-08:002016-08-25T18:28:45.074-08:00If we still lived there, we'd probably go.
I w...If we still lived there, we'd probably go.<br />I was stationed at Clear AFS for a year, and then we did four at Eielson. I wish we could have stayed.<br />But we are where we are supposed to be.<br /><br />Is the UAF as liberal as most universities in the Lower 48? If so, I wouldn't believe anything they said.<br /><br />I'd probably wear a tin foil hat while taking the tour, too.LindaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203719919661519350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-4886612741853795572016-08-25T14:20:26.897-08:002016-08-25T14:20:26.897-08:00Frank, there's so much that the government tri...Frank, there's <i>so much</i> that the government tries these days, which would have been unthinkable until it was exposed, that anything's possible.<br /><br />I hate feeling paranoid, but who can tell? The answer is a good, solid, "Maybe".Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-44431960714318779542016-08-25T13:51:56.984-08:002016-08-25T13:51:56.984-08:00Just an evil thought. Could it be that .gov tried ...Just an evil thought. Could it be that .gov <i>tried</i> mind control and/or weather control, failed abysmally and sold the site for what it could get?FrankChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07349761659165064987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-68010564930862117102016-08-25T12:40:46.403-08:002016-08-25T12:40:46.403-08:00Terry, I'm tending toward your version of even...Terry, I'm tending toward your version of events. I've driven past that place twice in recent years, but won't make a 400-mile roundtrip on a whim. Since airphoria is going, I'll wait for his comments.Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4860897900615196454.post-4478098945658543972016-08-25T12:34:36.555-08:002016-08-25T12:34:36.555-08:00Rule 1, the whole world is show biz.
You should g...Rule 1, the whole world is show biz. <br />You should go, take some pics and do a post. The power generated compared to the sun's radiation is a measly drop in the bucket. I have read they only have one technician reinstalling all the transmitter tubes. She should be finished later this year. <br />I am in the nothing to worry about camp. Drjim at every-blade-of-grass.blogspot.com posted about it on August 8. I see you commented. Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02693579680266086557noreply@blogger.com